Dear David, upon stimulation the CD4+ T lymphocyte will 'loose' its CD4. It's internalized during this stimulation process. Even taking that in account it can also be that: 1. you picked that one CD4 antibody that doesn't recognize the fixed molecule anymore. 2. you stain your cells before fixation and permeabilization, which is due to a lower CD4 detection (internalization). Using the CD4 antibody together with your anti-cytokine antibodies might already give a better result. I remember that there was this question before and several of us gave suggestions. Try the archive: http://www.cyto.purdue.edu/hmarchiv/index.htm Although downregulated I often can detect the CD4. Even with a PerCP labeled antibody (BD). Joost ____________________________________________________ J.H.N.Schuitemaker Laboratory Manager / Senior Research Technician Cellular Immunology Group Cell Biology & Histology Academic Medical Center P.O.box 22700 1100 DE Amsterdam The Netherlands Telephone +31 (0)20 5664960 FAX +31 (0)20 6974156 Internet: http://www.amc.nl http://home.wanadoo.nl/flowcytometry -----Original Message----- From: David Ritchie [mailto:dritchie@malaghan.org.nz] Sent: woensdag 16 oktober 2002 20:48 To: cyto-inbox Subject: CD4 on stimulated human T cells Any suggestions welcomed on below problem, We are tracking the cytokine profiles (by intracellular staining) produced by CD4+ T cells in patients who have undergone allogeneic bone marrow transplant (BMT). We are looking at cytokine production pre- and post-stimulation of T cells with PHA/ionomycin for 4 hours. We have no difficulty clearly identifying CD4+ T cells on the unstimulated sample, but on the stimulated sample CD4 seems to disappear. CD3 is still clearly evident. Has anyone seen this before? Is the cell fixing process used for ic staining likely to interfere with CD4 expression or anti-CD4 binding? We don't seem to be losing cells in the short culture period. Thanks for any comments David Ritchie
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