RE: cd4 cd8 coexpression/Fl1 or 2-Area vs Fl1 or 2-Width etc

From: Mostowski, Howard S. (mostowski@cber.fda.gov)
Date: Fri Nov 09 2001 - 09:15:57 EST


Good Morning or Good Evening, depending on which side of the plant you
dwell.

	Following Alice Givan's and others train of thought on this matter
of one cell vs an aggregate; pardon my naivety on this, could not this
matter be easily settled not by microscope alone, but using the same methods
applied to DNA analysis in discerning 2N vs 4N. A hard copy for all
non-believers and believers alike.

						Howard S. Mostowski

-----Original Message-----
From: Alice.L.Givan [mailto:Alice.L.Givan@dartmouth.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 7:45 PM
To: cyto-inbox
Subject: Re: cd4 cd8 coexpression



Hello Flowers,
I just wanted to re-inforce Ken Ault's comments about artifactual
co-expression of CD4
and CD8 due to coincidence of two cells in the laser beam.  Two cells can
coincide in
the beam either because they are physically aggregated into a clump or
because they
just happen (by statistical probablility)  to be suspended in the same
volume of sample
buffer as it moves past the laser.

 A coincidence artifact should be suspected if:
1) as Ken said, the frequency of these CD4/CD8 doubles decreases when the
flow rate
is decreased (although this may not happen if the cells are in actual
clumps).
2) the intensity of each color on the double expressors  is  the same as the
intensity of
each color on the relevant single expressors.  In other words, if the double
expressors
form the fourth corner of a perfect rectangle on a dot plot (with the negs,
the PE+
singles, and the FITC+ singles forming the other three corners),  then you
should
be suspicious.

Alice


Alice L. Givan
Englert Cell Analysis Laboratory
of the Norris Cotton Cancer Center
Dartmouth Medical School
Lebanon, New Hampshire NH 03756
tel 603-650-7661
fax 603-650-6130
givan@dartmouth.edu



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