Re:Decreased signal in FL3 with SE upgrade

From: Lucy Brown (lbrown@coh.org)
Date: Thu Dec 21 2000 - 14:25:27 EST


Hello Andy,

     We have a MoFlo but did notice something similar with PE-Cy7.  We have
     a 3 laser bench.  Our first laser is a HeNe, 2nd one is kept at 488nm
     and the third one we convert to various wavelengths.  I had the 3rd
     laser set at 514nm and compared the signal for PE-Cy7 (785/50) at
     488nm or at 514nm.  We only had positive staining if the signal was
     collected off the 514nm (3rd) laser path.  We saw nothing from the 488
     (2nd)laser.  At first we thought maybe it was the difference in
     exciting PE from the 514 vs 488.  So I move the 488 laser into the 3rd
     laser path and we did get a positive signal.  Also, if I moved the
     514nm laser into the 2nd laser path we had positive signal in the PMT
     that gave no signal with 488nm excitation of PE-Cy7.  Thus, it wasn't
     the difference in the laser wavelength or in the 2 PMTs we were
     comparing.  What it turned out to be was that I had a blocking filter
     in front of the laser 2 PMT stack to block any stray 514 light coming
     in to the 488 pmts stack when both lasers are on.  It is a 521LP
     filter.  When this was removed, we had positive signal for PE-Cy7 from
     the 2nd laser (488).  So even though this is a long pass filter it
     blocks signal in the 785/50 range.

     Possibly you have a bogus filter in your setup.  Good luck

     Lucy Brown
     Beckman Research Institute/City of Hope
     626-359-8111 X3306
     lbrown@coh.org

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     Subject:  Decreased signal in FL3 with SE upgrade
     Author:   "MORSCHAUSER, ANDREW" <ANDREW.MORSCHAUSER@spcorp.com>
     Date:          12/19/00 11:04 AM




       This message is directed towards FACSVantage users that have
       upgraded their
       machine from a FACSVantage to a FACSVantageSE w/Turbosort.  I
       am
       experiencing a
       decreased sensitivity in FL-3.  When comparing alignment
       particles (cRBC,
       Alignflow beads, Calibrite beads) between a FACSVantage,
       FACSVantageSE w/TSO
       and
       a FACSCalibur, results have shown the FACSVantage SE signal to
       be
       significantly
       lower than the Vantage or Calibur.  Furthermore, when looking
       at splenocytes
       stained with CD4 PE-Cy7 (787/40 filter), there is no
       discrimination between
       negative/unstained cells vs. stained cells.  The signals on the
       FACSVantage
       and
       Calibur are nearing the third decade while the FACSVantageSE
       signal was
       negative
       with log amps and voltages greater than 900V.  I tried
       increasing the log
       offset
       as far as it will go and found little if any improvement in the
       signal.

       Boards have been replaced and new PMTs in FL3 have done nothing
       to remedy
       the
       problem.  BD has been very responsive to my concerns, but the
       problem is
       still
       present and I was wondering if anyone else has experienced
       similar problems
       with
       the extra mirror and different optical path for a 5-color
       FACSVantage SE.
       Any
       comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


       Andy Morschauser
       Schering-Plough Research Institute
       Department of Immunology
       2015 Galloping Hill Road
       K15-3-3945
       Kenilworth, NJ  07033
       908-740-3089



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