Re: MESF and correcting for isotype matched controls

From: Mario Roederer (Roederer@drmr.com)
Date: Fri Jan 07 2000 - 14:11:47 EST


Calman,

I've spoken out against using isotype "matched" controls many times, 
and won't go into that again, except to say, don't use them for 
antigen density measurements!  Instead, use a parallel aliquot of 
cells that are stained with everything EXCEPT for the color on which 
you are doing the measurement (and leave that one unstained).  It is 
very important to include the other antibodies, not just isotypes for 
them--to fully correct for problems with compensation, spectral 
shifts, etc.

Eventually, you should subtract the background value.  But this 
assumes that you are only interested in a single value, and single 
values are not good for representing distributions (unless the 
distribution happens to be normal, or, more precisely, log-normal). 
Our approach was to calculate a series of values, including not only 
the median (which is far better than the mean when you are using 
log-scale), but also the 10th, 25th, 75th, and 90th percentiles of 
fluorescence.  This allowed us to build up a picture of the 
distribution of fluorescences.  Correcting these values by 
background, however, is not simple.  i.e., from the 10th percentile, 
do you subtract the median of the unstained?  the 10th percentile of 
the unstained?  Once you start considering questions like this, you 
realize that subtracting the MESF of the control from the MESF of the 
sample has significant pitfalls of its own!

Our approach now is to use the calibration platform in FlowJo--this 
platform allows you to rescale any fluorescence channel based on a 
standard fluorescence measurement (either by fitting to a bead set or 
just by entering the appropriate conversion value).  At this point, 
all graphs & statistics are shown in terms of absolute molecules 
rather than relative fluorescence.  Thereby you can easily calculate 
the above statistics (or show histograms etc) in units which are 
meaningful for your final desired answer, and you can then decide 
what type of analysis is appropriate.

So, while the simplistic answer to your question is "Yes, subtract 
background values", there is an enormous complexity underlying the 
process which really requires considerable more thought.

mr


At 11:42 AM -0500 1/6/00, Calman Prussin wrote:
>We are quantitating cell associated antigens using standardized beads and
>then generating an MESF from the standard curve generated from the beads.
>The question has come up whether or not to "correct" the MESF values
>obtained from the specific antibody by subtracting the MESF values obtained
>for the  isotype matched controls.
>
>The problem with correcting the values is that it has little effect on the
>samples with high density of Ag, but has a large effect on those with low
>expression. As such, if we run replicate samples   on the low expressing
>samples we find a larger amount of  variation in the corrected MESFs. My
>bias is not to use it, as it seems to introduce more "noise" into the
>system. Your thoughts?
>
>Thanks!
>
>  > _______________________
>  > Calman Prussin
>  > Laboratory of Allergic Diseases
>  > NIAID/ National Institutes of Health
>  >



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