To achieve that combination of dot and contour mentioned below you can use the map function in WinMDI or make very nice overlay graphs using WinMDI and paintbrush. I tend to use the old 1.3.4 version as it does true colour gating and paste the plots into paintbrush (remember to set the 2D size to 256x256). I than use the contour plot and paste it to the same picture. When you then click the frame it produces a nice overlay of contours on dots. The colourgating also reveals that what you see as a single cluster is made up from dots of different colour which immediately tells you that there is no natural preference of dot density or contour but a selection of display fit for the purpose that demonstrates the point to be made. But if the articles get judged by their artistic value instead of their scientific content..... The Deskjet 1600CM on our XL can also translate the colours in distinguishable gray scale which is very nice for b&w reproduction. If you want to get rid of warts you have endless ways of data manipulation of which gating has probably the biggest impact, pixel resolution smoothing following. A lot of people do not show any plots in their publications so you can not even guess on the underlying data. If they do, the manipulations are usually obvious to the skilled cytometrist but could do with some explanation for the average reader. Happily plodding along Gerhard.Nebe-von-Caron@unilever.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Contour plots & smoothing: rights and wrongs Author: Roederer@Beadle.Stanford.EDU at INTERNET Date: 24/09/97 22:55 > Since I believe in showing the real data, warts and all, > I avoid using contour plots Howard, I must take issue with this. Contour plots (when properly computed) do not inaccurately display bivariate data. In fact, they can be much more informative than even color (or gray-scale) dot plots, which are much more difficult for most people to readily interpret. It's not difficult to make up a series of test plots, shown in both formats, and demonstrate that the inexperienced person will more readily estimate the population frequency in a contour plot than a color-dot plot. This, ultimately, is the goal in graphical presentation of data. Of course, you will agree that dot plots are completely inappropriate. (Everyone: please stop publishing data with single-color dot plots!) You also stated that "smoothing" makes the data "look better" than it is. This is also not entirely correct--proper smoothing algorithms simply make the contour plot look like it would if you were to collect a huge number of events. In other words, proper density estimation algorithms, which are those that employ a variable kernel-width smoothing algorithm, do not distort the data presentation, and, in general, make it easier to interpret by mere humans. Dave Parks and Marty Bigos have discussed these issues at length in various chapters on data analysis (for example, in the Handbook of Experimental Immunology). The main downside of contour plots is that data outside the last contour is generally not shown. This problem has a simple solution: by showing outlying events together with contour plots: thus, the contours give you the frequency estimation that they are so good at, but the outliers will shown the low frequency events. This format combines the best qualities of both presentation styles. mr
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