An excellent idea!! Why haven't we done this before. When it completed and finalizes, it should be posted on the ISAC website with a link from the Purdue Website and offered to any journal that will accept it as a link for free to anyone who wants to read it or print it. Obviously it should be printed in Cytometry and CCC as well, and included on the famous Purdue CD's. -----Original Message----- From: DARZYNKIEWICZ ZBIGNIEW [mailto:DARZYNK@nymc.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 9:49 AM To: cyto-inbox Subject: Re: Bad Flow Data & reviewing -- What can we do? To the ongoing discussion on bad data let me add my comments. First, I fully concur with all Paul Robinson's conclusions. The one word missing at the end was: "Amen" To help the authors to present their data in a meaningfull way and extract as much information as possible, I propose that the group of the most experienced colleagues will develop a page or two flier - Instructions to the authors - How to present your flow cytometric data. This has to be a be very thoughtfuly developed document. The input to it should be sought from many experts in fields of immunology - cell cycle - apoptosis - graphics - statistics, perhaps even estethics. We have many such experts in the Editorial Boards of these journals. Howard Shapiro, Alice Givans, Mike Ormerod have already a lot of experience while preparing illustrations to their books. Once such document is prepared and agreed it should be distributed not only to Cytometry or CCC but to other journals as well (Cancert Res, Science, Immunology) etc, with the request to the editors to include it to their "Instructions to Authors". I will be glad to co-ordinate this effeort - I will ask Paul Robinson and Harry Crissman as Co-editors. We will then co-opt other colleagues and start the work. I envisage that in the course of our work we present the developing instruction to this forum asking for comments. If you think its is a good idea - plese let me know. Zbigniew Darzynkiewicz Brander Cancer Research Institute New York Medical College 19 Bradhurst Ave. Hawthorne, NY 10532 tel: 914-347-2801 fax: 914-347-2804 http://www.geocities.com/z_darzynkiewicz
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