analyzing low cell numbers:Part2 (more details!)

From: bunny (bunny@cotleur.com)
Date: Tue Apr 11 2000 - 21:34:18 EST


Thank you to all that responded re: low # cells to analyze. (30
responses day one! I sure can pick the topic,eh?)
I see from the varied responses I received I was waaaay too vague on
what I was asking. So please allow me to re-post this query a bit more detailed.

My friends are looking at chemokine expression in monocytes in CSF of MS
patients. Typically their TOTAL WBC yield is 4-5000. That's it. They set
up three 3 color tubes to look at CD3, CD14, and 3
chemokines.(cytometer= Facscan).  The end result- they collect MAYBE
1000 total events/tube, get (on average) 100 monocyte events.  Chemokine
receptor expression is usually a SHIFT, not a clearly separated
population. I guess I could feel better about analyzing 100 monocytes
for chemokine expression if positives were very +/+ (quadrant2). But
since you are looking at- what, 25-50 events, shifting across a marker;
this just really makes me wonder.  If you pick up ANY noise in your
line- do you not worry? Is it because the FSC/SSC is so far over (from
usual debris) for mono's that the gate can't possibly have erroneous
events? My worry was even 10 "odd events" could inflate quadrant3 (-/-),
thus affecting the percentage profiles in Quad's 1/2/4.

Am I a worry-wort, or is this a legitimate concern?  I also thought a
slide (confocal or something along those lines) would make more sense
than flow. (Thank you to everyone that sugessted confocal or CompuCyte LSC).

I have since heard from several people who run bacteria and collect only
100-500 events and say their data is very tight.  Is this because they
have a very bright, very specific signal?

To those that suggested additional markers: they cannot add any more
(control)markers, because that would decrease the data collection even
more. (damned if you do/damned if you don't!)

Thanks again everyone-



Bunny






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