RE: dilution of antibody

From: Mario Roederer (Roederer@drmr.com)
Date: Fri Feb 25 2000 - 17:09:09 EST


Joost:

>Or am I mistaken?

You are mistaken.

Aaron Kantor and I went into this topic in some depth in our chapter 
in Handbook of Experimental Immunology (5th ed) "FACS Analysis of 
Leukocytes".  I recommend that you look into it for a thorough 
description.

Albert was correct in his analysis--for nearly all antibodies, the 
number of cells is irrelevant (until you get to numbers of 10's of 
millions that bind the antibody); the concentration of the antibody, 
however, is paramount.  (Incidentally, so is time and 
temperature--make sure that you titrate your antibodies at the same 
temperature and for the same amount of time as your experiments).

I think the reason for the origin of this error is that for a long 
time, manufacturers gave their effective titres as "ug per million 
cells" rather than "ug per ml".

mr

(PS:  cell number can become relevant for very high affinity 
antibodies.  This is because with high affinity antibodies, the 
amount of antibody supplied can be much lower, thus, in much lower 
excess over antigen.  However, the vast majority of antibodies have 
an affinity low enough such that a significant excess of antigen (in 
typically staining experiments) is required to achieve 
near-saturation.).



>Dear Albert,
>
>Sorry, but I don't agree with you. When you should look at a marker
80% of
>your cells is positive for. And you determine the amount of antibody
>(= your
>concentration) for 300.000 cells. It is not possible to get even a
>peak far
>from your negative peak when you stain 5 million cells. This means
>that you
>throw away at least 5 times the amount of antibody when you stain 300.000
>cells. Because you determined (titrated) your antibody for 5 million
>cells.
>And the definition of concentration is the amount of Ab in a certain
>volume.
>So when you got 100.000 cells and need 0.01 µg of Ab to stain them
you can
>add this in 50 µl or in 5 ml. The only difference is the timeperiod
>it will
>take to get your Ab on the cells. Or am I mistaken?
>
>Best regards,
>
>Joost Schuitemaker



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