Dear All, I wonder who to curse (BD,Verity or Apple). Having looked through all inputs on this line of subject, I thought let's just use the WinList on the G4 in the meantime. However, despite the use of iMate the computer can't find the dongle and therefore won't cooperate. OK that CellQuest doesn't work in the OS9 environment, what about Winlist is it just the ADB connects that is the problem or is it the OS9 again? What is possible to run on the G4? Shall I send it back? Carl-Magnus Högerkorp Stem Cell Laboratory University Hospital of Lund Sweden -----Original Message----- From: Newsom, Brian S. [mailto:BSNEWSOM@txccc.org] Sent: den 13 januari 2000 17:57 To: Cytometry Mailing List Subject: RE: G3s G4s, MacOS and CellQuest - a cautionary tale David, Sorry to hear about your woes. I wanted to pass on the information I have regarding this issue. I have been talking to BD about upgrading some of our FACScans to Macs with Cellquest and have talked to them briefly about G3 vs G4. They know there are problems with OS 9.0 and they are working on them, that is why currently they are only selling G3's. They do have OS 9.0 compatibility in the works and I would expect it would come fairly soon. In our discussions with BD it sounded as though by the time we get our act together to get the necessary machines they may be ready to go with G4's and OS 9.0. Best of luck, Brian Newsom Director, Flow Cytometry Center for Cell and Gene Therapy Baylor College of Medicine -----Original Message----- From: David Chambers [mailto:davidc@ccmi.salk.edu] Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 11:26 AM To: cyto-inbox Subject: G3s G4s, MacOS and CellQuest - a cautionary tale Wotcher Flowers, I thought I would share my recent experience with everyone. Recently we had the need to set up a new CellQuest analysis workstation to cope with demand for Mac time. So we ordered a new computer from Apple. It was a G4 machine because that's all they sell now unless you want an iMac or powerbook. Of course, it shipped with MacOS 9.0 installed, and arrived last week. A very nice looking machine, rather reminiscent of a Porsche :-) B-D now ships CellQuest with a USB dongle, so there were no problems with USB-ADB adapters or the like, and CellQuest installation went fine until we tried to run it. Firstly the BDPAC control panel would not work because the computer told us "BDPAC cannot load because BDPAC cannot be found". Secondly, CellQuest ran perfectly for 5 seconds (approximately) and then the Finder decided to intervene, saying it wanted attention. If we gave it such, it shut down CellQuest saying that the server containing it could no longer be found, then complaining about a Type 3 error. Note that while the finder could not get our attention, CellQuest ran nicely - we could load and save files, analyze, print, etc., but one accidental click outside the CQ window and WHAMMO! We tried the usual things - increasing CQ memory, turning all unnecessary extensions off, disconnecting the network, etc, etc, all to no avail. "No problem", I thought, "Let's install OS 8.6, we know CellQuest is fine with that" Except.... THE NEW G4's WILL ONLY RUN MacOS 9.0 or LATER. It is totally impossible to install 8.6 on them. We called Apple for help and were told that this is indeed the case and they couldn't/wouldn't help, hard luck, it was the Application's fault. Apple has changed to a new motherboard in recent machines and it is impossible to use older versions of MacOS. So we gave up and sent the G4 back. We found a blue G3 machine at MacWarehouse, it runs 8.6 and runs CellQuest impeccably. All the above diatribe is just to warn others thinking of getting a new computer that they may have no prospects of being able to run CellQuest on it. It is sad that Apple should no longer manufacture machines capable of running a previous OS, particularly since OS 9.0 appears to have issues with many other applications software as well. Pity. -- David
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