Re: Paraformaldehyde and PI

From: Maryalice Stetler-Stevenson (stetler@box-s.nih.gov)
Date: Mon Apr 23 2001 - 16:59:35 EST


Mario,
	What cells did you test this on? This goes against my
observations but I know you are thorough.We always use it with live
cells.


	Maryalice

>I hesitate to disagree with Maryalice, especially given her powerful
>admonition that whoever says otherwise knows absolutely nothing
>about PI exclusion...	but... "he who hesitates is last".
>
>Actually, we found that we can stain with PI, then fix with 0.5%
>paraformaldehyde, and have the ability to discriminate live/dead for
>about 2 hours afterward (perhaps as long as 4-6 hours).  Waiting
>overnight, however, is right out--the PI leaks out of dead cells
>(and, if present in the medium, leaks into live cells).  As Mark
>points out, you should add the PI before the PF, and if you need to
>wait more than several hours, use EMA (which is considerably less
>practical for various reasons).
>
>We tested this extensively, because of the importance of doing
>live/dead discrimination, as well as the practicality of fixing
>cells (for example, from infectious samples).
>
>Note that we did not test higher concentrations of paraformaldehyde
>or other fixatives.
>
>mr
>
>(PS, with regard to removal of adherent endothelial or tumor cells
>becoming PI+ : note that a variety of protocols, as asserted already
>on this list, can transiently permeabilize cells.  I would try
>removing the cells, washing them well in regular medium, waiting 30
>minutes, and then adding PI).

Maryalice Stetler-Stevenson
Director Flow Cytometry Unit
Laboratory of Pathology, NCI, NIH

"Learn the rules so you know how to break them properly."
The Dalai Lama



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