Hi Kirk, FCS Assistant can be used to generate ratio's, I understand that some people are using it for indo 1, others use it to ratio Fluo-3 with Fura red or SNARF. As far as validity goes, you've reminded me that I've been meaning to get in touch with Jim Jett from Los Alomos, to request reprints of two papers he referred to in a brief article in a copy of the NFCR newsletter that I picked up at the last ISAC, which point out artefactual fine-structure variations in ratioed digital measurements. The references are: Johnston,R.G., Schroder,S.D., and Mallawaaratchy, A.R., "Statistical Artifacts in the Ratio of Discrete Quantities", The American Statistician, vol 49, 285 (1995) Jett, J.H., "Flow Cytometric Measurements of Cell Surface Phenomena", Acta Path. Microbiol. Scan. Sect.A, Supp.274, 187-190 (1981). But I don't have access to them locally (if Jim Jett is reading this could he send me copies please?). As far as I know, mean and median measures of calculated-ratio populations are largely unaffected, as are the gross forms of plots derived from calculated ratios. If you are going to use FCS Assistant to generate your ratio values, be sure to gate out (easiest on acquisition) events that have maximum values for the parameters that you want to ratio, or these will give misleading quotients (eg events that are in the top right corner will all ratio to one, giving a spurious peak in the histogram). I didn't add a routine to disregard these events, since not all cytometers use the full scale resolution quoted in the file header $PnR value eg FACS Vantage and FACStar plus parameters seem to have a maximum value of 1000, not 1023 as you'd expect (which must be annoying for those who linearise log data - but that's another story) I've put some example figures on my server: http://facsmac.med.cam.ac.uk/web/ratios.html if you're interested Ray At 11:00 +0000 2/2/98, Kirk Watkins wrote: >Is anyone using a calculated ratio for displaying Indo-1? The >instrument does not have the ratio parameter but does have the optics, >laser, etc. for running Indo-1. Can FCS Assistant be used to modify the >data file to add the ratio parameter and is this valid for measurement? >Any and all help would be appreciated. > >Kirk Ray Hicks ________________________________________________________________________ |University of Cambridge |Tel 01223 330149 | |Department of Medicine |Fax 01223 336846 | |Level 5, Addenbrookes Hospital |e-mail <rh208@cus.cam.ac.uk> | |Hills Road Cambridge |Web http://facsmac.med.cam.ac.uk | |CB2 |ftp server ftp://131.111.80.78 | |UK | | |_________________________________|_____________________________________|
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