Dear Stefan In principle you can use any flow cytometer to measure bacteria to various degrees of perfection. Indeed a flowcell is of big advantage as (if coupled correctly) it improves the numerical aperture of a system. Another important feature is the slower flow speed (m/sec) inside a flow cell which helps to increase sensitivity for small particles and the good hydrodynamic focusing achieved by long flow cells as in the old Ortho systems. Light scatter discrimination is limited. We measure routinely particles of 320nm on the Coulter XL analyzer and the Elite by light scatter analysis. With the XL we discriminate on the side scatter diode (peak signal) for that purpose. Unfortunately you can find bigger bacteria that show less light scatter signals than those beads and bacteria growing under extreme conditions seem to fall under this category. Regarding multiple lasers I enjoy your enthusiastic approach. The adjustment of different laserbeams is more a question of skill and practice. The choice of excitation wavelength depends more on your budget and in what dyes you believe. I get away with 488nm and 632nm which is also less pricy which might also prove better for viable sorting. I attached the abstract for the ISAC tutorial on microbial cytometry in 1998. I am certain there will be a number of people that use different equipment for different purposes you can talk to. Otherwise you are very welcome to visit our laboratory for some practical demonstration or contact myself for further off-line discussion. Regards Gerhard Nebe-v.Caron Unilever Research, Colworth Laboratory Sharnbrook, Bedfordshire GB - MK44 1LQ Tel.: +44-(0)1234-222066 FAX: +44-(0)1234-222344 E.mail: gerhard.nebe-von-caron@unilever.com Abstract for the tutorial on Microbiology: Despite 23 years of microbial flow cytometry the technique is still not so widely used amongst microbiologists as it could be. Thus the aim of the tutorial is to encourage people to take microbial cytometry on board as an additional service that a cytometry facility can offer. The tutorial will contain three short presentations discussing biotechnological, environmental and medical applications and address the fundamental question of microbial viability and cell injury. This will be followed by a technical discussion about instrument setup and other useful tips and tricks. It is aimed at people that have already a basic understanding of flow cytometry. As most cytometers currently on the market can theoretically be used for a number of microbial applications, the exchange of technical information should allow operators to gain confidence in microbial analysis with their particular equipment. _______________________ ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: right FCM for natural bacteria Author: Stefan.Andreatta@uibk.ac.at at INTERNET Date: 20/11/97 20:30 Dear listmembers, We are going to purchase a flow cytometer with sorting capabilities for use in aquatic microbial ecology. Our main task is to measure bacteria from natural samples (DAPI, SYTO13, CY3,...). Unfortunately these organisms are very small (down to 0.2 microns) and they do not live in the water all by themselves - there will be lots of algae, flagellates, detritus etc. So we need to have good sorting capabilities to check what we are actually measuring in the microscope, but the big problem (I feel) is the instrument's sensitivity. I would like to ask experienced users out there: 1- Which features, do you think, are of particular importance to our application. (PMT for forward scatter is certainly one). Other important features? 2- What do you think of jet in air vs. cuvette sensing. Flat surfaces should enhance scatter measurement, but seemingly only Coulter is ready to provide a sorting(!) cuvette. Other important features? 3- We need three excitation wavelengths (UV, 488, 514 or higher) for various experiments, not all three at the same time but all possible combinations of two of them. This will involve a lot of laser adjustment. How complicated is it on different instruments e.g. to shift a laser beam from second to first sensing position? 4- I would highly appreciate hearing about any relevant experience on different instruments. What we have in mind is to bye one of the following (in alphabetic order): -Becton Dickinson FACS Vantage -Coulter Epics Elite ESP -Cytomation MoFlo MLS. Thanks for any hints Stefan ---------------------------------------------------- Stefan Andreatta University of Innsbruck, Austria Institute of Zoology and Limnology Technikerstrasse 25, A-6020 Innsbruck phone: +43-(0)512-507-6122 fax: +43-(0)512-507-2930
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