RE: intracellular IL-4 and IFN-gamma

Calman Prussin (CPRUSSIN@atlas.niaid.nih.gov)
Fri, 31 May 1996 09:42:23 -0400

I would like to address several points that the author or authors make
below. You do not specify whether the system is human or mouse, what the
cells are (clones, short term lines or fresh ex vivo), what time point
used, controls used and whether the conjugates are FITC or PE. Thus it
is difficult to be specific without any of your data but I will try with
what you have given me.

>>>"Unfortunately this stimulatory condition leads to IFN-gamma
>>>production even
in Th2-like cells"
Please give more details. Both Oppenshaw/O'Garra (mouse) as well as
Bernhardt Hemmer (human) here at the NIH have looked at parallel
experiments in defined T cell clones and shown that antigen and PMA/iono
give the same results in terms of dominant Th1 or Th2 profiles. There
was no evidence of IFN production in Th2 clones.

In short term (1-3 weeks) human Th2 lines that we have made, we see no
IFN production after PMA/iono.

In fresh ex vivo T cells we have demonstrated (JI, 154, p. 4294) that
there is very only moderate coexpression of IL-4 and IFN and essentially
no coexpression of IL-5 and IFN. The vast majority of IL-4 producers do
NOT coexpress IFN.

>>>we failed to detect any
>>>IL-4, or IL-5 despite the fact that we detect high levels of IL-5
>>>secretion
>>under these conditions in our generated Th2-like cells.
We have done parallel ELISA and cytokine flow experiments and found good
correlation between the two for IL-4, IL-5 and IFN (same JI). IL-4 can
be difficult to detect even with the new directly conjugated reagents.
You may wish to use an eosinophilic subject as a control.

>> The bottom line is that we are still struggling with this technique
Unfortunately, the Th2 cytokines are more difficult than IL-2 and IFN.
There certainly is a steep learning curve for the technique.
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>From: Julie Auger
>Sent: Thursday, May 30, 1996 7:28PM
>To: Cytometry Mailing List
>Subject: Re: intracellular IL-4 and IFN-gamma
>
>
>>Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 10:38:00 -0500
>>X-Sender: gvsevent@flowcity.bsd.uchicago.edu
>>To: Julie Auger <jauger@flowcity.bsd.uchicago.edu>
>>From: gvsevent@flowcity.bsd.uchicago.edu (Gijs A. van Seventer, Ph.D.)
>>Subject: Re:
>>
>>We have performed intracellular staining for cytokines with reagents from
>>Pharmingen. We tried various ways of stimulating T cells and the best one
>>(and recommended by pharmingen) is stimulation with PMA/ionomycin.
>>Unfortunately this stimulatory condition leads to IFN-gamma production even
>>in Th2-like cells. Great intercellular staining was observed with this
>>activation methods for IFN-gamma, IL-2, TNF-alpha, we failed to detect any
>>IL-4, or IL-5 despite the fact that we detect high levels of IL-5 secretion
>>under these conditions in our generated Th2-like cells. The bottom line is
>>that we are still struggling with this technique and have not found a
>>solution to measure IFN-gamma vs. e.g Il-5 in primary cells even after 1 ot
>>2 stimulations in vitro. Moreover the most promising activation condition
>>induces IFN-gamma in Th2 cells that would not secrete IFN-gamma when
>>stimulated through the TCR/CD3 complex. Succes further.
>>Gijs van Seventer
>>
>>
>>
>>>>X-Sender: brian.rabinovich@mailbox16.utcc.utoronto.ca
>>>>Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 03:37:53 -0400
>>>>To: Cytometry Mailing List <cytometry@flowcyt.cyto.purdue.edu>
>>>>From: brian.rabinovich@utoronto.ca (Brian Rabinovich)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Addressed to all those who may be able to aid in the process of staining
>>>>for intracellular cytokines using fluorescently tagged mAbs for FACS
>>>>analysis on peripheral blood:
>>>>
>>>>I am currently performing an assay involving intracellular staining of
>>>>cytokines from peripheral human blood to assess TH1 and TH2 populations
>>>>of CD4+ cells (The protocol I am using is below) . I am currently NOT
>>>>stimulating the blood after obtaing it as we wish to assess any possible
>>>>alterations in TH1:TH2 between controls and patients with vascular disease
>>>>in as pure a fashion as possible. I am finding, however, that unstimulated
>>>>CD4+ cells from peripheral blood stain very poorly for both IL-4 and
>>>>IFN-gamma, in most cases. I was hoping that someone might have a simple
>>>>protocol for stimulating CD4+ cells to synthesize IL-4 or IFN-gamma
>>>>depending on their phenotype so that I can stain for a proportionally
>>>>amplified cytokine profile. Also, because we are drawing blood from
>>>>patients and controls on a regular basis, I am looking for a stimulation
>>>>procedure which is as simple and least time consuming as possible.
>>>>Please
>>>>help.....Brian A. Rabinovich, Research Institute, The Wellesley Hospital,
>>>>University of Toronto. E MAIL: brian.rabinovich@utoronto.ca
>>>>
>>>>P.S. Please forward this mesage to anyone else you think could lend
>>>>a hand
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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>>Gijs van Seventer, Ph.D.
>>Assistant Professor
>>Department of Pathology
>>Committee on Immunology
>>University of Chicago
>>5841 S. Maryland Avenue
>>SBRI, J-541A, MC 1089
>>Chicago, IL 60637-1463
>>Tel:312-702-9997
>>Fax:312-702-3701
>>
>>
>>
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