[Company] submissions to the list

Dear Friends and Colleagues,
Without belaboring the point, while I find this an interesting suggestion, 
it would imply that I should place [Company] in the subject line because I 
work for a company. All rules have their excess, and I would submit that J 
Paul (actually Steve) and company have done a great job maintaining the 
integrity of this list. If an occasional message is allowed thru that has 
potential commercial implications, I would rather have that than complete 
(or no) censorship. If individuals wish to express their displeasure at a 
specific posting (irrespective of the source) this allows discussion, and 
if necessary, re-calibration of the gating algorithm. And regarding 
vendors monitoring the list versus actively soliciting messages, I suspect 
that most monitor this list to gather useful information, much of 
potential use to their customers. But this is quite different from "open 
access" for solicitation.
While I'm here, some additional comments:
1.) Cost of the ISAC meeting. I find the registration of $650 (US) a bit 
steep for a meeting. While I was on ISAC Council, a resolution was passed 
by Council that the Congress be shortened (in an attempt to reduce the 
registration fee and overall cost) and be held annually. The combination 
of a $650 registration fee plus hotel costs (esp in Europe- for US 
scientists) makes it difficult for many labs to bring key technicians and 
post-docs; it even makes it difficult for many senior scientists to 
justify. To put this in a bit of perspective, the American Asc for Cancer 
Research charges a $425 (US) registration fee to their members for their 4 
day. An important difference is that the AACR has SIGNIFICANT industrial 
support. We need to do as much as possible to make our meeting's overall 
cost "reasonable". ISAC must do everything it can to keep the overall 
meeting costs (registration, airfare, hotels and meals) to a minimum (this 
ain't ASCO).
2.) Vendor support. This is essential for ISAC or any other professional 
society. At one point, I was chair of the committee that raised donations 
for the ISAC Congress, and approached every company that I could think of 
that sold products to our membership quite shamelessly. Every society does 
this because it helps lower the cost of the meeting (or should) for the 
individual attendees. And by the way, the money the vendors use comes from 
the customers. Donations are thus a means to widen the available attendees 
who will buy their products. The approach must be balanced.
3) Meeting location. While I appreciate this is a problematic issue, refer 
back to item "1. At one point, ISAC restricted the Congress to "smaller" 
venues to keep us together. Much science gets discussed (in places that 
tend to serve alcohol) at ISAC, and that's one reason I attend 
(discussion, not libations). Where will we gather in Budapest (after 
poster sessions)? Unlikely to be the InterContinental Hotel - I probably 
could not afford one beer there.
4) What is the focus of ISAC? I'm running for Clinical Councilor (sorry, I 
too had to get in my pitch), so my potential constituency for the most 
part has a limited focus. But the society needs to have a balanced focus 
on flow and image cytometry. And I don't think that DNA, RNA or protein 
arrays should be our soup!. Our unit of measurement is the cell, and once 
you bust it up, someone with better technical expertise should be telling 
scientists and clinicians what best to do. That said, we should 
communicate and work with "non-cellular" scientists where our interests 
and technologies intersect.
I need to go home for the weekend. A Happy Easter to all.
Sincerely,

Vince

p.s. I'm running for Clinical Councilor. If you live in Chicago vote early 
and often


T. Vincent Shankey, Ph.D.
Advanced Technology Center
Beckman Coulter, Inc.
vincent.shankey@coulter.com
(305)-380-2430




"FloCyte Associates, INC" <flocyte@flocyte.com> 
03/20/2008 02:16 PM

To
Cytometry Mailing List <cytometry@flowcyt.cyto.purdue.edu>
cc

Subject
RE: Bay bioscience opens US office and introduces its JSAN  cell sorting 
and analysis system there






No this is not acceptable!  I'm sorry, I just don't get it!  I agree 100% 
with Roland.

I can't understand your position at all?   WHO pays the majority of the 
expenses for meetings?	Vendors! Without them your cost to attend ISAC 
would probably triple or quadruple!!   Who allows you to have very cheap 
or FREE local users' group meetings? Vendors!  Who solves issues with 
vendor services??  VENDORS!  Why on earth would you exclude vendors from 
the discussion??? 

And actually SOME people welcome messages from vendors... Vendors can 
solve a lot of your problems!  The Boston Area high speed sorter list, for 
example, welcomes vendors responses and they get results.  The vendors 
HEAR their requests and respond!  I've learned a LOT from vendors! Without 
messages from Vendors, how do you find out about new products and 
services?  How often would you go to the ISAC website to look for a new 
product you don't even know exists?  Or how do you know there is some 
training opportunity happening in your area?  OR how do Vendors know what 
you need and how do you get your service / technical questions heard by 
all vendors? 

Shutting them out isn't the answer to your mail problems!  Roland's answer 
was eloquent!  And, although we've discussed this often, nothing has ever 
evolved that is a better suggestion!  If you don't like messages from 
vendors, just filter them out, and having [Company:]  in the subject time 
is a perfect way to do that! 

I'm sorry, I just don't get it!!   Why would you shoot yourself in the 
foot?  Vendors - you can put my email address on your mailing list!!  Just 
put [Company:] in the subject line!  I'll filter them and decide what I 
want to read or not read later!  Just like I filter this list! 
Sue


At 01:37 PM 3/18/2008, you wrote:

I would suggest extending this to include use of e-mail addresses from the 
mailing list for commercial solicitation.  Can we agree this is 
unacceptable ?






-----Original Message-----
From: Joanne  Lannigan [ mailto:jl7fj@cms.mail.virginia.edu]
Sent: Sun 3/16/2008 11:56 AM
To: cyto-inbox

Please refrain from use of this list for commercial purposes. The ISAC
website has a place where you can post news releases about such events or
information. Thanks-

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:17:03 -0500
  "Jeffrey Harvey" <jsharvey01@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Bay bioscience is a Japanese company, based in Kobe.	The company 
designs,
> develops and manufactures high performance cell sorting and analysis
>systems
> and also develops unique reagent products.  The company made the 
decision
> earlier this year to establish a direct office in the United States and
> to introduce its instrument systems here.  Bay bioscience currently 
offers
> the JSAN system, which combines high performance cell sorting and 
analysis
> capabilities in a compact and affordable design.  The company office is 
in
> the San Francisco area and the company has demo sites on both the East
>Coast
> and West Coast.  Please visit the company website (www.baybio.co.jp ) to
> learn more about the company and its products.	I will be 
overseeing the US
> operation and also the distribution of the products in Europe  The 
company
> will be an exhibitor at both the Northwest Regional Cytometry Meeting
>(March
> 13-15, in Portland, OR) and at the ISAC Congress in Budapest (May 
17-21).
> Please visit us at either of those meetings, if you wish to discuss any
> aspect of the company's products.  In the interim, please feel free to
> contact me directly, at this email address.  I'll look forward to 
hearing
> from you.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Jeff Harvey



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