From mailnull@flowcyt.cyto.purdue.edu Thu Aug 16 15:42:46 2007 Received: from flowcyt.cyto.purdue.edu (localhost.cyto.purdue.edu [127.0.0.1]) by flowcyt.cyto.purdue.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l7GJgg5A003380 for <cytolist@flowcyt.cyto.purdue.edu>; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:42:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mailnull@flowcyt.cyto.purdue.edu) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by flowcyt.cyto.purdue.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id l7GJggtR003379 for cytolist; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:42:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mailnull) Received: from mail2.qmul.ac.uk (mail2.qmul.ac.uk [138.37.6.6]) by flowcyt.cyto.purdue.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l7GJgb2a003373 for <cytometry@flowcyt.cyto.purdue.edu>; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:42:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from U.Johansson@qmul.ac.uk) Received: from termite.qmul.ac.uk ([138.37.6.52]) by mail2.qmul.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from <U.Johansson@qmul.ac.uk>) id 1ILlEn-0001g1-FA for cytometry@flowcyt.cyto.purdue.edu; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:42:35 +0100 Received: from localhost.localdomain (termite [127.0.0.1]) by termite.qmul.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7GJgXM3019318 for <cytometry@flowcyt.cyto.purdue.edu>; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:42:33 +0100 Received: (from apache@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l7GJgXIp019315 for cytometry@flowcyt.cyto.purdue.edu; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:42:33 +0100 Received: from 88-109-135-179.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (88-109-135-179.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com [88.109.135.179]) by webmail.qmul.ac.uk (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:42:33 +0100 Message-ID: <20070816204233.u7oym7kk08ks8gog@webmail.qmul.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:42:33 +0100 From: Ulrika Johansson <U.Johansson@qmul.ac.uk> Subject: Re: CFSE compensation References: <007101c7ddcf$ed2a9c70$3c6fa8c0@Candela> <8C9AD22D6F53CBD-ED4-414F@FWM-D15.sysops.aol.com> <8C9AD230E291635-ED4-4158@FWM-D15.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8C9AD230E291635-ED4-4158@FWM-D15.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) X-Originating-IP: 88.109.135.179 X-QM-Sender: hiw070@imap.qmul.ac.uk X-Sender-Host-Address: 138.37.6.52 X-QM-Scan-Virus: ClamAV says the message is clean X-QM-Scan-Virus: virusscan says the message is clean X-Spam-Score: -4.9 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by flowcyt.cyto.purdue.edu id l7GJgg2a003375 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 3385.cnm Hi Maria, You mention that the FL1 peak is not very narrow; is this for the stimulated T cells? I too wonder if your customer has observed proliferation (if a mitogen is used it should be obvious just lookig down the microscope). Just a thought, but if a high concentration of CSFE is used then I know from experience that it can sometimes be difficult to discern peaks; and if a mitogen has been used, and if your researcher is homing in on T cells, it's likely that all T cells have proliferated (all this may thus result in a broad looking sort of 'peak'. Good luck, BW Ulrika Quoting rozenkov@netscape.net: > > Hi Maria, > > It is rather difficult to make CFSE-T cells non-proliferating by > compensation. How does the single-parameter FL1 (FITC) histogram > look? Are all cells contained in the same peak as in a > non-stimulated control? (Seeing the pictures here would help.) > > I guess even if you have done 6-colour auto-comp, you can just run a > CFSE-only (no antibodies) stimulated cell sample and see how it > looks. > > Another question: does you colleague see proliferation in the same > samples by other parameters, e.g. thymidine incorporation or at > least morphologically? > > Regards. > > Vladislav Rozenkov > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Maria Candela Iglesias Chiesa <candela@iner.gob.mx> > To: cyto-inbox > Sent: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 3:32 am > Subject: CFSE compensation > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > A colleague is putting up a CFSE proliferation assay on T cells. She > hasn´t been able to see any proliferation after 6d of stimulation. > However, I strongly suspect this is a problem of compensation more > than anything else. We have a FACSAria and normally do Compbeads and > automatic compensation. She has run non stimulated cells CFSE > stained to compensate for the “FITC” channel, and stained compbeads > for the other channels. She hasn’t got a very narrow peak in “FITC”, > but the compensation works anyway. Still, she doesn’t see any > proliferation, and has performed her experiment in a very standard > way. Am I missing some obvious point in the compensation procedure? > How do you normally compensate when using CFSE? I’ve done it > manually on a 3 color expt in a Calibur and never had any problem. > Should I try and compensate manually even if she is using 6 colors? > > Many thanks, > > > > Candela > > > > María Candela Iglesias, PhD > > Centro de Investigacion en Enfermedades Infecciosas (CIENI) > > Instituto Nacional de Enfermedades Respiratorias > > Calzada de Tlalpan 4502. Col. Seccion XVI > > CP 14080. Deleg. Tlalpan > > México DF. > > tel y fax +52 (55) 56 66 79 85 > > candela@iner.gob.mx > > candela.iglesias@cieni.org.mx > > > > > > Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and > industry-leading spam and email virus protection. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and > industry-leading spam and email virus protection. > _______________________________ Ulrika Johansson, PhD Department of Haematology Flow Suite Pathology and Pharmacy Building 80 Newark Street London E1 2ES UK P +44 0203 246 0228 F +44 0203 246 0225 e U.Johansson@qmul.ac.ukReceived on Fri Aug 17 15:18:00 2007
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