Unfortunately you can not beat the counting statistic. In fact you can test counting statistics by making a big file and then analysing fractions of it from different time intervals with different stop counts. Another problem to add in particular if only parts of the sample are analysed is the sampling statistic. If you look at 100cells / ml (=0.1cell /ul) and you sample 10ul you might not have a cell there at all as it has it's own mind on where to be at the time. This is where you have to start thinking about physical, chemical or biological pre-amplification. The other limiting factors are the accuracy of your volume determination (for ratiometric counts the variation increases as the bead count adds another counting error) and the effects of the vanishing particle. The most accurate counting method does not help if your particle sticks to the wall of the tube. A little bit of detergent (0.05% Tween 20) gave most consistent recovery in our hands. You might also want to consider mechanical disaggregation (see http://www.elsevier.com/homepage/sah/mimet/speciss/1378.pdf from the Journal of Microbiological Methods special issue free full-text Volume 42/1, September 2000, Microbial Analysis at the Single Cell Level, guest-edited by: L. Alberghina, D. Porro, H. Shapiro, F. Srienc, H. Steen. http://www.elsevier.com/homepage/sah/mimet/speciss/toc42_1.htm ) Hope this helps Regards Gerhard -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Hoefel [SMTP:daniel.hoefel@sawater.sa.gov.au] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 1:41 AM To: Cytometry Mailing List Subject: FACSCalibur limit of detection analysing bacteria I am interested in enumeration and identification of bacteria from water samples using flow cytometry. I recently attempted to determine the limit of detection on a FACSCalibur for enumeration of E.coli cells suspended in MilliQ water (filtered distilled water). The experiment was carried out on an overnight broth culture culture of E.coli stained with SYTO9. MilliQ water was used as sheath fluid. I was able to get down to determining the concentration of 500 E.coli cells/ml where below this number results became inaccurate. I was looking to enumerate down to about 100 E.coli cells/ml and I was wondering if anyone has done this type of experiment before and if they were able to accurately detect less than 500 cells/ml. Am I asking too much from the FACSCalibur and/or are there any secrets to improving the limit of detection? Input from anyone on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Daniel Hoefel Email: daniel.hoefel@sawater.sa.gov.au
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