The Digital "Disadvantage"?

From: Mario Roederer (roederer@drmr.com)
Date: Wed Jan 23 2002 - 08:57:59 EST


... or, is the grass greener on the other side of the picket fence?

I have learned that some instrument sales representatives are making
claims and misrepresentations about whether or not we are satisfied
with our high end sorter (BD DiVa), of course without my permission.
These claims are uninformed, and should be taken with less than a
grain of salt.  While I am sure that most readers of this list are
savvy enough not to believe most of what sales reps say, there are
also plenty that don't have the necessary expertise to judge the
veracity of such statements.

First of all, a disclosure:  in the last 14 years, I have neither
consulted for any instrument manufacturer, received any financial
remuneration from any, or hold financial interest in any.  In fact,
as a government employee, we can't even receive discounts below
standard GSA pricing on anything we buy from them, no matter how many
sorters we buy.  Finally, my laboratory is not under nondisclosure
agreement with BD; however, federal law prevents us from disclosing
private corporate information.

That said, we have had a BD Digital Vantage (DiVa) for nearly one
year.  We have extensive experience with it now, and have tested it
for sensitivity, sorting capabilities, stability, etc.  As we
published in a poster at CAC (the contents of which are therefore in
the public domain), we find the sensitivity of the digital
electronics on this DiVa to be at least as good as the analog
electronics on the same instrument for individual channel
measurements.  However, it is with multi-color applications that the
advantage of the digital electronics becomes apparent: the lack of
log amplifiers combined with high resolution A/D conversion leads to
more accurate compensated data (for explanations, see my recent paper
in November Cytometry).  In particular, compensating digital data
across lasers does not require the careful pulse matching (and delay
timing) that is so problematic on analog systems--i.e., we don't need
to look at pulse traces anymore.  (A real bonus, given that we have a
fully-utilized 14-parameter system!)

As predicted, we found the sorting performance to be better than
analog, in terms of speed, given the essentially zero dead time.
Purity in 1-way, 2-way, or 4-way sorting was identical to analog in
1- or 2-way sorting.  We have successfully single-cell cloned, purity
sorted, yield sorted, etc.  We have long since abandoned the analog
electronics in favor of the digital electronics.

Nonetheless, I think the biggest advantage of digital electronics is
still in the future.  I firmly believe that once manufacturers
develop some sophisticated signal processing of the digital waveforms
(probably with relatively straightforward firmware upgrades to
current digital systems), we will achieve considerably better
sensitivity.  And maybe even learn something about the subcellular
distribution of the fluorescence signals!

If you are considering a high end sorter, please disregard any claims
made by sales reps of any company about our level of satisfaction or
dissatisfaction with our instrument (and I've heard about both types
of claims, obviously from reps of different companies).  If you are
in the market and care to discuss our experience with the DiVa, then
feel free to call me and we can talk candidly.

mr

(PS, one more disclosure:  the content of this email represent my
views, and do not necessarily state or reflect those of the US
Government.)



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