Re: Bad data presentation -- more discussion points.- and even more

From: J.Paul Robinson (jpr@flowcyt.cyto.purdue.edu)
Date: Fri Nov 02 2001 - 23:48:26 EST


On 1 Nov 2001, at 14:22, Mario Roederer wrote:
>I must respectfully disagree with the recent prevailing sentiment
>expressed by "old-timers" on this board.

Mario is always good to keep a discussion going !!! Discussion is
an excellent way to educate ourselves on the issues.

I'll only comment on a couple of issues that Mario raises. It may be
correct that in writing their papers, some scientists may not take
any notice of the proposed documents. However, if the reviewers
who review the papers take notice, I absolutely guarantee you that
the authors will listen.  I think this would definitley have an impact.

On Mario's second point that scientists don't have time to
assimilate any more documents - even if this were true, there are
tons of young scientists and students who will listen and take note.
If the reviewers listen, I already pointed out that the scientists will
take note. It's similar to human and animal use documents or
OSEA requirments - if scientists don't assimlate these documents
they are our of business.

We all agree that educating our operators who are the first line of
defense is the key thing - operators work with students and
postdocs too - and if students in my lab want help from the staff,
they better listen ...and they do....

Perhaps the approach suggested by Professor Darzynkiewicz will
not work perfectly- but it is an important step toward solving a
problem we all agree exists. In fact, we don't think that there is one
solution - we may have to try many ways.

By the way, Mario's list of questions is an excellent resource. I am
going to ask Mario for permission to put this onto the next Purdue
CD-ROM  (Which by the way will be out for the ISAC congress) -
and I think that it won't be hard to convince Mario to contribute an
entire section on identifying bad data and how to immunize yourself
against it....we could all use this in our classes....you all do have
classes I suppose......

May all "old timers" live forever....

Best wishes
J. Paul Robinson





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