On 1 Nov 2001, at 14:22, Mario Roederer wrote: >I must respectfully disagree with the recent prevailing sentiment >expressed by "old-timers" on this board. Mario is always good to keep a discussion going !!! Discussion is an excellent way to educate ourselves on the issues. I'll only comment on a couple of issues that Mario raises. It may be correct that in writing their papers, some scientists may not take any notice of the proposed documents. However, if the reviewers who review the papers take notice, I absolutely guarantee you that the authors will listen. I think this would definitley have an impact. On Mario's second point that scientists don't have time to assimilate any more documents - even if this were true, there are tons of young scientists and students who will listen and take note. If the reviewers listen, I already pointed out that the scientists will take note. It's similar to human and animal use documents or OSEA requirments - if scientists don't assimlate these documents they are our of business. We all agree that educating our operators who are the first line of defense is the key thing - operators work with students and postdocs too - and if students in my lab want help from the staff, they better listen ...and they do.... Perhaps the approach suggested by Professor Darzynkiewicz will not work perfectly- but it is an important step toward solving a problem we all agree exists. In fact, we don't think that there is one solution - we may have to try many ways. By the way, Mario's list of questions is an excellent resource. I am going to ask Mario for permission to put this onto the next Purdue CD-ROM (Which by the way will be out for the ISAC congress) - and I think that it won't be hard to convince Mario to contribute an entire section on identifying bad data and how to immunize yourself against it....we could all use this in our classes....you all do have classes I suppose...... May all "old timers" live forever.... Best wishes J. Paul Robinson J.Paul Robinson, PhD PH:(765)4940757 Professor of Immunopharmacology Professor of Biomedical Engineering Purdue University FAX:(765)4940517 EMAIL:jpr@flowcyt.cyto.purdue.edu WEB: http://www.cyto.purdue.edu
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