quenching? or not?

From: bunny (bunny@cotleur.com)
Date: Tue Apr 18 2000 - 23:40:57 EST


Fellow Flowers-

 We have a very strange problem and I'm at a loss to explain. My
colleague is staining fresh  human LWB with CD3-PERCP and CXCR3-PE. When
the CD3-percp control is run on the Facscan, itlooks ok, comps fine &
nothing remarkable is noted. When the CD3+CXCR3 is run, it appears that
the CXCR3-neg CD3's are GONE. [As in quenched?] In fact, this person was
doing a series of CXCR3 Ab dilutions and the more dilute the CXCR3 Ab,
the more pronounced the CD3 quench.
I reran her samples completely uncompensated-(data posted at this link)

	 http://www.cotleur.com/CotleurMain.data/Components/facsdata.html

 and you  see that on left is uncomp'd CD3 alone, and the  right-
uncomp'd CD3+CXCR3. ObserveThanks the shift after addition of the CXCR3;
so much so that the  plot almost appears to actually be compensated.

So here's the wrench:
1)  this stain/combo  was the exact stain (except the dilutions) that
they ran many times before, never saw this. The  CXCR3 dilutions were
done for the first time yesterday, and did not show this CD3 shift.
(CXCR3 Ab was serially diluted in PBS/2%NCS/+azide, 0.02%).

2) With each increasing ab dilution, the effect is pronounced.

3)  the Facscan was just serviced today. Calibrite beads look perfectly
normal, the single stain cells	look normal also.

4) CD3 paired with CCR2-PE: does NOT see this.

I am convinced it is something in their prep, they are convinced it is
the instrument (only because their  experiment "worked" yesterday, and
did not today- post instrumet service).

Has anyone EVER seen anythiung remotely like this?


All comments welcome!

Bunny






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