RE>>Contour plots & smoothing: rights... 9/25/97 I'll add my two-cents worth. Dot plots have one, count 'em one, major advantage. They are very good at displaying small (<2%) and/or diffuse populations such as single positives in the thymus or CD5+ B cells in the spleen. Dot plots have two MAJOR disadvantages. First they are very bad for visually estimating relative population densities for populations which both constitute major populations. Furthermore in order to get a visually informative display you have to play around with how many dots are displayed in the plot. If you are looking at a 0.1% population and are displaying 100K events in order to cleanly reveal your population, the rest of the plot is going to look blacker than a cave at midnight. The second problem is that dot plots are very poor at resolving two populations; such as a small pop. near a large pop. or two pops. with two fold mean differences. Again you can play with the number of dots to help it look better but it's a waste of time. You just can't really do it effectively. On the other hand contour plots (especially probability plots) are extremely good at the latter two functions. With a correctly calculated prob. contour plot you can readily identify a "shoulder" pop. which constitutes only 10% of the major pop. In addition the presence of two populations whose MFIs differ by only 50% are also easily identify. I will admit that the "learning curve" on reading contour plots is a little steeper. It's like learning to read elevation maps. You have to distinguish the hills from the valleys. With all my students there was an initial frustration followed by an "AHA" light bulb realization. After that point they would never use dot plots unless they were looking at small populations (and even then log contour plots were sometimes more infomative- but that's another discussion). So it's not just a question of which way is better. It depends on the type of data you are presenting. With most of the software on the market you have to make a choice- either dot or contour. In that case, if you are looking at small populations use dots in all other cases I would recommend using contour plots. The ideal situation would be to have a type of plot that has the advantages of both dot plots AND contour plots with none of the disadvantages. That is exactly what a contour plot with outliers is. A contour plot in which any populations which lay outside of the last contour are displayed as dots. The best of both worlds! I think that this is the plot type of the future. To my knowledge the only software currently available which has this option is FlowJo. I am sure other software programs will follow. Alan Stall -------------------------------------- Date: 9/25/97 3:09 PM To: cyto-inbox From: Kenneth A Schafer Flow-ers, Mario Roederer said: > Of course, you will agree that dot plots are completely inappropriate. > (Everyone: please stop publishing data with single-color dot plots!) You've lost me on this one. Being a relative new-comer to flow cytometry, I don't see what is wrong with dot plots. Please educate me. If dot plots are "completely inappropriate", is there ever a situation when they would be appropriate to use? Thanks, Ken Schafer kschafer@lucy.tli.org Kenneth A Schafer Lovelace Respiratory Research Institute PO Box 5890 Albuquerque, NM 87185 505-845-1126 505-845-1198 (fax) ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by pharmingen.com with ADMIN;25 Sep 1997 15:08:00 -0700 Received: from flowcyt.cyto.purdue.edu ([128.210.60.31]) by fw.pmgsd.com via smtpd (for [204.182.230.3]) with SMTP; 25 Sep 1997 22:05:10 UT Received: by flowcyt.cyto.purdue.edu (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI.AUTO) for cyto-sendout id OAA07063; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:15:46 -0500 Received: from audrey.tli.org by flowcyt.cyto.purdue.edu via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI.AUTO) for <cytometry@flowcyt.cyto.purdue.edu> id KAA06052; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:16:29 -0500 Received: from itri-1.lrri.org ([204.134.38.201]) by audrey.tli.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29473; Thu, 25 Sep 97 09:00:01 MDT Received: from ITRI-1/MERCURY by itri-1.lrri.org (Mercury 1.21); 25 Sep 97 08:57:15 MDT Received: from MERCURY by ITRI-1 (Mercury 1.21); 25 Sep 97 08:57:06 MDT From: "Kenneth A Schafer" <kschafer@itri-1.lrri.org> Organization: LRRI To: cyto-inbox Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:57:01 MDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Contour plots & smoothing: rights and wrongs Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: <2262E3B7F@itri-1.lrri.org>
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